At some point in my distant past I must have been taught to make a distinction between "born" (of mammals) and "hatched" (of birds, reptiles, etc. that emerge from eggs). I say this because, upon watching an item on TV about a pair of peregrine falcons that have set up housekeeping in Toronto, I had a kneejerk schoolmarm reaction when I heard the announcer talking about the birds being born. You will know that Wordlady doesn't often have these!
I find some exercises for schoolchildren on the Web where they have to categorize animals as "born or hatched", so perhaps this is where my objection comes from. It doesn't seem to be a hot issue amongst usage commentators, and far be it from me to quibble with John Keats, who in his "Ode to a Nightingale" has the following line: "Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!" (mind you, perhaps one should not take Romantic poets as experts on ornithology, since Shelley famously produced the line in "To a Skylark": "HAIL to thee, blithe spirit! Bird thou never wert").
I see from birdwatching websites that birders talk of birds being born. Please do let me know if you have this "born/hatched" usage issue or not. Perhaps it's time for me to let it go.
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I think it IS time you let the 'born/hatched' issue go, Katherine, since 'born' is all-inclusive.
ReplyDeleteI think you also drop the 'st' from amongst - it has an old-fashioned sound to it - and I know you'd never want to be thought of as 'old-fashioned'!
Another word that needs pruning is 'towards.' The 's' is completely unnecessary, don't you think? Most major print media use 'toward,' I believe.
Enjoy your Easter weekend and, especially, the chicks that are 'born'!
Hello Norman,
ReplyDeleteYou can read more about toward and towards at this post: http://katherinebarber.blogspot.com/2010/09/upwards-and-onwards.html.
As for "amongst", I seem to have used "among" 5 times for 1 "amongst" since I started this blog. I don't know why I used "amongst" this time. I don't know that it's old-fashioned; it's alive and well in British English and alive enough in Canadian English that we gave it as a variant without comment in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary. In any case, I don't see it as a problem that we have variants like this. Vive la difference!
Katherine
Yes, I agree about reacting unfavourably(although in my case the knees didn't jerk but my mind thought to itself "wince") to hearing on TV about birds being born. I remember thinking that that wasn't the right word. But then I wonder how many of the "pretty young things (or, if not young, made up to look like) have more than a few hundred words of English vocabulary? When I hear something that bothers me I wonder about the staff writers, as well.
ReplyDeleteKatherine, there's a new(?) English usage in tv newcasts that really bothers me. When they are quoting or paraphrasing statistical statements, they say things like "over two times more than." Actually that bothers me two ways. Has the word twice gone into disuse, to join its sibling thrice? Does "two times more than mean "double" or does it mean "three times as much." When I find myself pondering this last question, I also find myself asking its corollary, "Do the news writers know the answer themselves?"
ReplyDeleteHello Felicity,
ReplyDeleteWell I am not alone in this, then! Also I think urbanites tend to lose touch with the natural world. I remember overhearing someone once at the Experimental Farm in Ottawa referring to a cow (who was being milked at the time) as "he"!
"Born" is from "boren", the past participle of the Old English "baren". A mammal 'bears' its young in the sense of carrying a burden or load. Since birds and reptiles do not 'bear' their young to term, the closest they could come to being 'born' is the day that their mother lays an egg.
ReplyDeleteThe second meaning of born is to bring forth or present something, as in "unto us a child is born". Again, this would be slightly absurd if applied to an egg.
Eggs are laid, eggs hatch. Mammals are born. It's far from a pedantic distinction.
There are many reptiles that have live birds, and a few mammals that lay eggs. And they bear their eggs until they 'lay' them.
DeleteNot as black and white as it seems. There are many reptiles that have life birth and a few mammals that 'lay' eggs. Technically, egg-laying animals 'bear' their eggs until they are mature enough to lay them.
DeleteI stumbled upon this blog because I too have a feeling that born and hatched are exclusinve terms. I've written a science fiction novel that features a race of sentient lizards (stay with me here) and the order in which they are "born" is relevant to their society. Only now I'm reviewing my work for print publication, I can't help feeling born is wrong. I've switched all of my "borns" to "hatcheds" but I can't help feeling ninth-born has a better ring to it than ninth-hatched.
ReplyDeleteAnd the worst part is, after reading your post, I'm none the wiser...
Yep, I think it's a distinction that needs to be maintained. Just saw a headline about the world's oldest bird giving birth to a hatchling. What a word mess!
ReplyDelete48 years old and just was chastised by my father for saying the birds in the nest were born. Some can't resist damaging other's psyche in attempt to make themselves feel superior and to try to make the other person feel stupid and small. Being a word Nazi hurts others. Why can't you just it go or must you constantly correct others? It is sick.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking about all the sitting on and carrying around and watching over eggs as well as building nests and making jouneys across oceans and swamps and up rivers that egg laying creatures do. Would you consider that part of the "bearing" process even after the eggs leave the internal body of the host parent?
ReplyDelete(Sorry for the run on there) ��